Fr. Fr. Orthodox Christian priests Fr. And by the way, those handful of later Greek usages seem to be based on the Jewish use of it, meaning its used in contexts where someone is making some kind of offering to a supernatural being, to a spiritual being. Fr. Photius: Oh, man! Fr. Stephen: And consecrate them as sacred space. I can tell you all about Arrakis, the desert planet; I can tell you all about Gallifrey; I can tell you all about Nimbus [III], the planet of galactic peace. ), Ancient Tales of Giants from Qurman and Turfan: Contexts, Traditions, and Influences (Tbingen: Mohr Siebeck, 2016), The Landscape of Memory: Giants and the Conquest of Canaan. This is. You wouldnt like it. It doesnt say that it was fulfilled by Jesus absorbing their diseases and becoming sick, or absorbing their demons and becoming possessed himself; he doesnt take it on himself in that way. Fr. Stephen: It makes you wonder if that was a practicality, like, if a high priest dropped dead at some point, and everybody was kind of like, What do we do and how do we prevent this from happening in the future?, Fr. Yes, yes, I do have a question, and it pertains to 1 John 2:2. Stephen: Yes, of material objects and physical space. Other sacrificial rituals where you see the laying-on of hands, thats to designate the animal as a sacrifice. This video is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Religion of the Apostles: Orthodox Christianity in the First Century Does it have anything to do with suffering or punishment? This is a giant exercise of throwing the baby out with the bathwater combined with an historical amnesia propagated by lazy anti-intellectualism. But the much simpler way to read it is it just means cover. Fr. Stephen: So the whole thing is burned. Consequently, I greeted the arrival of Fr. Related Episodes Violence in the Old Testament: Sin, Death and Justice in the Bible Lord of Spirits: Blessings and Curses What exactly is a blessing? Welcome to The Lord of Spirits podcast. Fr. How could that have happened? Fr. So not only for our sins, which are taken away, but for the whole world, which is now purified and made holy and sacred, first in potency, first, as with everything eschatological, this is happening in real time, like we talked about in our Halloween episode, but this will ultimately come to fruition, then, in the new heavens and the new earth, just as, right now the evil one is bound and in a hole, and hell be chucked in the lake of fire then at that latter point. Fr. We understand theres kind of like a pipeline from there to here. So theres this orderly, beautiful, purified, sacred space where God dwells with his people, and then chaos is whats on the outside. Fr. And so then, logically enough, when you find this in its noun formthese same roots are used for both verbs and nouns and also for adjectiveswhen its a noun it means a cover or a covering. My only criticism of The Religion of the Apostles is that its purpose seems ambiguous. Stephen: Right, thats not actually in there, no. Fr. Well, okay, so theres a little bit of backstory here, and again, Luke, using this detail about Christ being on the road to Emmaushes actually on the road to Emmaus, but everyone knows what Emmaus is famous for. Yeah, so St. Matthew uses this language to describe I mean, to describe exactly what happens to Christ at the crucifixion. Stephen: Right, but what happens is, in sort of the symbolic mindhi, Jonathanof the Jewish people, sheep and lambs become associated with Passover. Andrew: Which is not the way confession works either, by the way, in case anyones thinking, Wait, what? Theres a wonderful parallel, in some ways, between these things. Amen. And then what happens next? Fr. So the first question I mean, Ill start by saying I havent read the book of Leviticus, so excuse my ignorance on this, but I have read actually, after hearing the last podcast you guys did, I was doing a little bit of reading, and I read that the priest would lay hands on both goats, like on the goat for Yahweh as well as that Is that true, or would they not lay hands on the goat for Yahweh? According to the transliterations of the ancient literary corpus of the Near Eastern and Western Civilizations, evil has been extant since the beginning of time: it arguably reared its head in the first book of the Old Testament (Gen. 3.1, 4.8, 6.1-4); Mesopotamian literature, antedating the Pentateuch by at least several centuries, describes wars, the wraths of the gods, and a tyrannical king; and, originating millennia earlier, Sumerian poems depict spiritual anguish in the afterworld and tribal warfare. Andrew: Yeah, theyre now participating in the eschatological Day of Atonement. This element of the eschatological Day of Atonement, that Azazel is finally defeatedits not just sending him back his sin while he continues to control the rest of the world out there, but hes done away with and disposed ofis, as we said Hebrews is going to be peppered all the way through here. Well, there is no context for this Umm what do we think this means, in context?. Its remembered as being the decisive battle of the American Late Unpleasantness. Andrew: Yeah, so the goat is sent to Azazel. Fr. Andrew: Yeah, the GOATiest. Andrew: Yeah, where that stuff is depicted as being good, like This spirit came and gave us this wonderful, beautiful knowledge! And the Bible is saying, No! Fr. Yeah, yeah. Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick and Fr. Fr. Andrew: Yeah, so the Temple has to be reconsecrated; it has to be purified. Stephen: Right, the goat for Yahweh. So, just what is a giant? Fr. Stephen: Well, he actuallyI think youre mixing him with Pompey, the Roman general, Fr. [Laughter]. And so I think its really critical that we understand that atonement, as the Scripture depicts it, is not some kind of system, where this is how you get saved, and it works like this: sins get for instance, in one version: sins get transferred from you to Christ! St. Paul the Mystic - The Whole Counsel Blog The only time it happens is this, and that animal is not sacrificed. The Book of Enoch: Scripture, Heresy, or What? Fr. Stephen: was making this cloud so that he wouldnt actually see Yahweh when he appeared. Fr. Fr. So probably the most famous Church Father to talk about this in terms of atonement specifically is St. AthanasiusSt. Fr. Stephen: Right, and you especially dont need to bring any livestock to the church. Welcome! Fr. If you have a Facebook account you should probably delete it, but if you cant, like our Facebook page and join our Facebook discussion group where well be your oasis amongst the evils of social media. I know people are being moved to sympathy for the goat in all this. "Atonement" is a word invented for the translation of the Bible into English, because there was no good English word for the concept it describes. Andrew: Yeah, which we talked about before, a few episodes back. So those are some of my take-aways from our conversation this evening. Some people like New Coke, which, now it turns out was all a conspiracy, but I wont get into that here. Stephen: Yes, so allow me to feed that a little bit. Stephen De Young concludes Revelation, Chapter 9. I mean, this is how granular this gets. And you know, when an apostle interprets the Old Testament for you? So cool! Andrew: Alas. Andrew: Yeah, what is it about that blood that actually has that purifying effect? Fr. But he does his complete English Bible, and he uses that phrase to one or one-ment, and then even at one point he uses at-one. And then it was in the 16th century, in the Tyndale Bible in 1526 that he actually standardizes this word to create this new word, atone, as both a verb and also a noun, so you get that at-one-ment, atone comes into being as an English word specifically for translation of the Bible. These are just a few examples of how Fr. Andrew: Okay, Matthew 8. I am so thankful to have found this podcast, which is a wonderful resource on content and context! Andrew: There you go: the Day of the Covering. This goat, we dont know nothing. Stephen: So where combinations have been made. [Laughter] Not because Gods going to get angry Its not like: I said no green M&Ms! [Laughter] Its because of his holiness and his purity that is dangerous to sinful people, to sinful humanity, and God does not want his people, when he comes to visit them, to be destroyed with their sins. He took our infirmities upon himself. And, as you can imagine, thats taken in a certain direction. Stephen: Yeah, so I dont want to get too granular about this, because theres actually, when you get into literature about thisI did my dissertation related to this, so I read all the literature on this. Stephen De Young Easily the most important work in Pauline Studies, and likely in Biblical Studies as a whole, of the current decade is Matthew Thomas' published Oxford dissertation, Paul's "Works of the Law" in the Perspective of Second Century Reception. Stephen: Yeah, and hes often associated with other symbols like the caduceus of enlightenment and that kind of thing, but well talk about that more here in the second half. Stephen: And are listening to that Mexican radio station that used to come through on my microphone. I know weve said this several times already, but when atonement is talked about in the New Testament, its not referring to some abstract theological idea of atonement; its referring to what happened on the Day of Atonement and comparing, specifically, as were going to see, what Christ does, to that. He holds a PhD in Biblical Studies from Amridge University. Bible Hacking with Dr. Stephen de Young - YouTube Fr. They would all say: the gospel of John and the epistle. They have to be the best goats, both of them are the best goats. Fr. Stephen: Yeah, it was Antiochus IV Epiphanes. Here's the link to the Revelation 7 episode that he mentions: ancientfaith.com/podcasts/wholecounsel/revelation_7_1_8. So hes not sacrificed to Azazel. There are sort of a handful, I think four or five, uses of it in the first century AD and later, and like half of those are by Plutarch, by one author. The other problem with seeing atonement as a kind of system is that it actually disconnects it from the actual Christian life. So, actually, there is really important theology and teaching and doctrine thats in these three letters. Fr. Dr. Stephen De Young, creator of the popular The Whole Counsel of God blog and podcast, traces the lineage of Orthodox Christianity back to the faith and witness of the apostles, which was rooted in a first-century Jewish worldview.